Switzerland sucks

• If you think the salaries in switzerland are "higher," remember that anyway the cost of living in Switzerland is at least 2-3 times higher than the rest of Europe, so your savings rates are much lower. Plus the social life and number of contacts here are extremely low, you're lucky if you find even 2 swiss friends after living here for many years. Racism and xenophobia are huge problems here and growing by the day. Unless you are a cheese or watch maker or work in a bank, you will find the other industries to be extremely limited and not very rewarding.
  
  Conclusion: Stay away from switzerland, land of over-priced junk and unfriendly, cold, closed-minded people, and go to France or Germany instead.

  30 Jun 2008, 05:39 Jack

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• @ the Swiss adult

  Interesting. Again you just and only criticise my postings, but never mention with a single word the offensive, rude, dumb, retarded (just quoting, did you notice?) messages against Switzerland. I think they don't even exist for you, right? Really interesting. Although those postings are as offensive, dumb, retarded and racist as they claim Switzerland is supposed to be.
  
  In case you don't know, I've lived in 3 continents and speak 5 languages fluently. Too bad. Doesn't fit into your stereotype, does it?
  
  Foreigners are more than welcome to come and work in Switzerland. But if they don't want to respect our customs, they should leave as soon as possible. And that's not only my opinion, but that of many other people of many other countries as well.
  
  Maybe you're an adult, but have still no backbone. You're like a culm in the wind. Bending according to the people insulting you. Hope you are proud of yourself.

  Swiss, with backbone 20 Aug 2008, 05:08 - Report

• @open-minded Swiss adult

  Why do you automatically assume that all the foreigners in switzerland will "of course all leave eventually?" It's that kind of Swiss mentality that makes switzerland such an inhospitable place for foreigners, quite frankly.

  Swiss mentality.. 20 Aug 2008, 05:53 - Report

• Funny Swiss

  Funny, the original posting in this discussion doesn't contain any swears in it, it just contains facts. This Pro-Swiss genius here is just trying to change the topic and make himself look like a poor victim because he can't answer any of the points made about Switzerland, all of which are valid.
  
  As the situation between foreigners and swiss seriously deteriorates here, I really hope there are some real riots soon and destroy the Swiss economy. Anyways UBS (which is like 70% of the Swiss economy) is about to fall apart, great news.

  Wow. 20 Aug 2008, 05:57 - Report

• This guy got it right

  Hahaha VERY WELL SAID:
  "
  I was in Switzerland about a week ago. We (a group of 56 people) stayed in Zurich for a day and within two hours we were ready to leave. Advice: If you are going to Europe don't waste your time in this country.
  "

  That's the truth 20 Aug 2008, 06:02 - Report

• it's true backboned Swiss

  I do rag on you. Because if you are going to defend us then do so with intelligence and points of view. It isn't I don't think the anti-Swiss here are right (so what if they call us all those names?! We still live here and will die here, and they will come and go. I don't go down the road of cussing, name-calling and slagging off or I will be the same low, immature people as many here are. And I don't bring myself to that level.
  
  And backbone? Get a life. I don't need to slag people off or insult them to show I'm not bending to what they say. It's just if people like you are the one defending my nation, I'd rather open the borders so that people like you can get less in numbers.
  
  And what the hell has languages got to do with this discussion? Your travel experience (and what a luxury you must take for granted) was a waste of money...

  Mr Meier with backbone enough to write my name 20 Aug 2008, 06:03 - Report

• @Swiss mentality

  my point is more that foreigners ARE generally so unhappy and have troubles to integrate that they tend not to settle here and so leave instead.
  
  Or marry a Swiss person - another matter altogether.
  
  Don't just pick out those few words - read the whole post and you read I am a welcomer of foreigners.

  me again 20 Aug 2008, 06:09 - Report

• hahaha

  There was no name calling on the original post in this discussion, at the top. It's that pro-Swiss idiot who started the problems by saying "we don't give a damn what foreigners think about us", that's when all the name calling against Swiss started.
  
  Anyway I think the Swiss mentality "foreigners are going to leave anyway and we stay here" which is at the root of the problem. Being slow, artifical, staring all the time, and saying only few words like "Gruezi" all the time doesn't help anything.

  One bad apple spoiled the rest 20 Aug 2008, 06:10 - Report

• @me again

  You got that right, foreigners are generally very unhappy here, and feel very isolated. But they are still forced to pretend that they are happy about switzerland, for fear of being ridiculed by other swiss as "bad foreigners."

  Yes 20 Aug 2008, 06:15 - Report

• Yes

  you are absolutely right. as also pointed out by wendy and her 'how dare you not gild the nation' phrase!
  
  we all have a lot to learn......

  time to enjoy the Swiss sunshine 20 Aug 2008, 07:00 - Report

• @one bad apple spoiled the rest

  your intentions to lie and distort the facts have really no limits:
  
  until the fourth post it was more or less acceptable in tone and words (unfriendly, cold, closed-minded, introverted, racist, frustrated, grumpy, etc).
  
  check out the fifth post and let us know who started first uttering words like "shut the f*** up you smug swiss piece of shit", "stupid retarded swiss are worthless", "swiss are too stupid" and "switzerland is retarded".
  
  we guess it was you.
  
  return home.

  Swiss 20 Aug 2008, 07:26 - Report

• @Mr.Meier aka "the adult Swiss lacking a backbone"

  You have no idea how some foreigners living in Switzerland are envious of our direct democracy and restrictive immigration and naturalization laws. Many of them wish they could vote in their home country on similar issues like we do.
  
  You're definitely living in a bubble.

  Swiss aka Mr.Müller 20 Aug 2008, 07:32 - Report

• I don't know what to think.

  For starters I'm going to ask the readers and writers of this forum to not make fun or ridiculize my personal life. I'm swiss since birth. My family is swiss. My great grandparents were swiss. My great great great great great grandparents are... you guessed it... swiss too. I had some sort of bad luck and ended in the so called Betreibungen. I lost the place where I was living. I have about 45'000 swiss francs in debts. I lost my job over a year now because the company went broke. The time I spent with the RAV, I spent it searching for a job. Currently I am searching for a place to live and I can't find anything. I saw about 150 apartments in the past month yet all were declined telling me that a person with Betreibungen is a risk way too high and they can't afford to have that kind of person. My last resort was the Sozialamt. Their standard precedure is to give you a "Kostengutsprache" for the rent and extra costs of a cheap apparment in the city you are in. Even with them and assurance that the rent will be paid, I still can't find a place to live and from what I'm beign told, ending september I will have to share a room with 4 other unknown persons at the Heilsarmee. Even the Sozialamt is not able to find a place for me to live. During today's meeting with the social worker that was assigned to me, I was asked to consider leaving switzerland and venture myself to other places. I was shocked that someone was asking a swiss to leave switzerland. I don't want to leave switzerland, afterall this is where I grew up and where I have my small friend group (2 close friends). I don't know where to turn to. Seems that the worst reason of all is that I'm 29 years old. I'm male and single. I've never consumed drugs, never liked the idea of having a distorted reality (insert some ideologist, principles speech here that tells you why not to use drugs). I don't drink either, I have respect from alcohol (insert another speech like the one you added before, just do it about alcohol). I never learned a proper job or finished any kind of superior education (life sometimes doesn't give you a choice and you must move on to the next stage). Is this the reason I'm not beign helped properly? I need a job and can't find it, I need a place to stay and I got no shelter. Happy endings like the ones you see in the movies don't happen. What are my options, how can I go forward? What's the action to take? All this answers leave me sleepless at nights. Am I forced to leave the country? Am I forced to be placed on the same kind of situation as someone who has a drug or alcohol problem? At least a person with drug problems gets attention, a person with alcohol problems gets the right attention too. What about young men that are single? I've seen persons here telling about their experiences in switzerland. Some tell about bad things the country has, even going to some extreme extent or stories. Some tell about the good things the country has, defending their country with everything thei got. I ask both groups: What should a person in my situation do? Nothing is free in life, nothing will be free in life. But at least, I hope, humanity will show a way for me to continue living as a human.
  
  Thank you for your time and I hope someone in this forum can tell me what to do, how to do it and where to go. Specially when the "right" authorities are not able to help me anymore or in a proper way to continue living as a swiss in switzerland.

  Too much reality in life. 21 Aug 2008, 01:25 - Report

• dear too much reality

  Personally, I would suggest living in another country or town to help you get back your feet. Your english is execellent, your german too, I'm sure. If your homeland makes you feel so worthless, try somewhere else! Even just for the winter season! It may only be 6 months but maybe this is enough to help build your self-confidence again and get some euros in your pocket. And resorts, in the Alps, this is where many people in the same boat are, away from home, need to make and save money, so the community is really friendly and interested not in your past, but in your present.
  
  Your country will always be here and will be the same place when you return. But it's your life now, and at 29 you need to be having a blast. It's too much pressure to have this injustice put on you - well done for keeping your head above water and I really hope you find your way. It sounds like time for a major u-turn as Switzerland is obviously not good for your current situation.

  Empathy 21 Aug 2008, 11:30 - Report

• @Too much reality in life

  Please let us know the phone number and name of the social worker, who advised you - among other things - to leave Switzerland. This is totally unacceptable.

  Swiss 21 Aug 2008, 03:27 - Report

• @Swiss

  Don't ever tell us to return home, you stupid worthless excuse for a human being. You go back to the shit toilet where you came from, I can go anywhere I want. Unlike you i have skills which are useful in this world and I don't have to waste them on this poor excuse for a country where people like you are ignorant and live in a bubble.
  
  Direct democracy? LOL yeah right, what use is your system when all of you are uneducated redneck, sheep-screwing farmers? Everytime you swiss "vote" the UN has to come in to condemn you on basic racism laws and legislation. (think minarets, black sheep, black hands grabbing passports, etc.) That truly shows how arrogant the Swiss people are, by thinking their system is the best.

  I will say the truth about CH 21 Aug 2008, 08:12 - Report

• @I will say the truth about CH

  Please return home. You'll be happy, we'll be happy. It's a win/win situation.
  
  Where did you say are you from?

  Swiss 21 Aug 2008, 09:26 - Report

• Why should they?

  Its disgusting the treatment you give to people. I am not swiss, but maybe swiss people arent not the most " laugh people" of the world, but they try to be, without laws like taking of your hand, or beeing shot, where women can work and not live behind dark windows, well I would fight for this rights and many more in my own land. I ask. Why should they make a Minoret,tthey are not muslims, are they? Now I know, after this words, you will call me asshole, shit racist, but you should know, it dos not matter, you will be another ignorant and intolerant and not worthy human of earth.

  doesnt matter 22 Aug 2008, 12:12 - Report

• Switzerland is nothing

  Of course, most of the smart foreigners will eventually leave this shitty country, but it's important that they and other informed people (such as Wendy and the original poster of this discussion) make known the truth about switzerland to future prospectives so they don't make the same mistake as we did by choosing to come here. The point is if they have a choice, switzerland is the worst choice. And by the way, please return all the foreign money you are hiding in your banks, return them back to their owners from the other lands where they come from. We'll see how long the swiss economy survives then without all the black foreign money.

  I will say the truth about CH 22 Aug 2008, 05:34 - Report

• Consequences...

  First, sorry I wasn't able to reply this fast. I don't have a permanent internet connection. I can use one from a friend from time to time. Recently there was a scandal on the newspapers about how secret protocols from the sozialdienst in bern made their way to the public. So right now, the situation is kinda weird around here. The Sozialamt is reinforcing some rules and becoming stricter. From what a person that also seems to be in need told me that her social worker decided to quit the job because the tools that she was working with were not enough to help people. What she said in her own words: "Es ist unmenschlich und unzumutbar..." For the ones who asked before, I'm with the Sozialamt in Bern. As a responsable person I can't give more information out. Since this is information, that if it goes out, coud have many different outcomes. And I personlly don't know how people here would handle this kind of situation. I don't want people threatedened or harmed because of me and my living situation. One person in one of the many Beratungstellen I've been to, was kind enough to point me out to different places where I can still get some help from. Such as the Ombudsstelle der Stads Bern. http://www.bern.ch/stadtverwaltung/ombudsmann We'll see how things go and I'm sure something good will come out of it. I'll see how things go after the in about 2 weeks. I got another apointment with my social worker and we will see what the outcomes are there. If nothing comes out of that, I'll start shooting flies with cannons and go to the extreme extents that the law offers. I'll even go to the media if I have to. Already made some contacts on that branche.
  
  Yesterday night I got desperate and decided to go to one of the bridges in the city. I spent almost 2 hours thihking about jumping from the bridge or not. At the end, I guess I could have jumped. Nobody was there to see or watched. After a while I just returned to the place I'm staying at and went to sleep.
  
  This is more or less what has happened to far. Thank you for your time.

  Too much reality in life. 22 Aug 2008, 11:29 - Report

• @Too much reality in life.

  Sorry to hear what you are going through, but I'm guessing this is as good as it gets. Nobody here will be able or move to help you because they are busy with whatever they are doing. Everyone here is a selfcentered person that only cared to post some big words in a remotely forum. I'm gonna have to say that swiss are just not worth it, they are indiferent to this kind of situations, xenophobic when it comes to help others, racist if you don't have the money to fill their pockets. I guess you have to give credit to people like the orignal poster, to Wendy, to AnotherSwiss, SwissLady and other people that posted negative things about switzerland. For similar reasons I left Germany a while ago and now I'm doing quite well outside of it. From what I can tell, leave switzerland, risk it in other countries, you'll do better than there. You'll have more chances to get on your feet. Sell your stuff, get a couple of thousands and off you go. Contact charity institutions and explain your situation. The worst thing that can happen is that they won't help. You are already in that situation. I hear countries in south america or africa are cheap and if you manage to get a small ammount of money you'll get a chance to start all over again. Canada is also a good direction to go, they are always looking for some handy work. Don't waste energy in a cold-hearted country. You seem to speak english pretty good, german shouldn't be a problem too. people with language skills are always welcomed at different kinds of jobs.
  
  If you need some advice or want to know how I did it, write me an e-mail to "[email removed]" and we'll talk.
  
  Worst case scenario you'll return to switzerland and the system like in germany, will have to take you in and help.
  
  Yeap, after reading all of this information I will never want to visit a country that can't help their own. Racist to foreigners and to their own alike. Selfish folk that lives afraid. Racists, indifferent. Old fashioned people with old fashioned laws. All appearance and no action. Like the original poster said "Sitzerland sucks" and there's too much proof here to just ignore it.

  There are better places than eden. 23 Aug 2008, 04:11 - Report

• @There are better places than eden.

  Thanks for your credit. As you can see, its true, the indiference is bis. Stay were you are. I will take contact with you too.

  Swiss lady 24 Aug 2008, 12:00 - Report

• switzerland doesnt suck

  am a kiwi guy...and would like to say that i love and miss switzerland ,and its people a lot.i had an absolute ball over there.zurich nightlife is wicked!!sure meeting new swiss folk and finding work,work permits etc are a hassle.in fact that is why i came home...couldnt find work as a foreigner.but....still i maintain,what an amazing country.and as a swiss you are born somewhat blessed-why knock that??????switzerland rules....and im not swiss!!!!haha.all that hate it,need to pick up there bloody game and learn how to enjoy living in one of the coolest places in the world!!

  adam zohs 25 Aug 2008, 01:54 - Report

• @There are better places than eden

  You cannot really compare Shitzerland with other countries in Europe, most other continental european countries have generous social systems and networks which listen to peoples' needs, whereas in shitzerland the people are anti-social, money-grubbing and selfish, with no social skills or networks at all. Also shitzerland is the most conservative and most racist country in europe. The EU is an infinitely better place than this shithole called Shitzerland.

  Shitzerland is not Europe 25 Aug 2008, 02:52 - Report

• Wierd!

  don't you pple have anything better to do than to insult an amazing country.

  glgllg 25 Aug 2008, 10:26 - Report

• Im glad to leave CH

  hi there,
  
  here is a german(bavarian) who has been since 6 months in st.gallen and worked there and im so happy to leave this shithole in 3 days forever.
  it was the worst experience in my life.
  i was getting ripped of at work with my salary and my hours. the work mentallity is horrable.(youre just here to work, humanity has no place here) i feeled like in a bootcamp in this f***ing company.
  fortunally i have a good chance to get a sponsoring to go back to australia (ive been there for a year)
  and i can say switzerland is really unaustralian.
  swiss people sucks.
  racists, cold unopen minded and unfriendly
  and most i hate is this f***ing svp my boss is a big number in this nazi party.
  
  and all the people are shit not just at work
  
  for example
  
  -once i wanted to join a soccer training and the swiss players told me "i can join but i shouldn`t except that they pass me a ball"
  that was the point to say "such a f***ing country"
  
  i tried to stay longer but i can´t live here anymore.

  Peter 27 Aug 2008, 01:16 - Report

• Very, very upsetting...

  I've returned to witness the forum journey but can't help but comment personally to Too Much Reality in Life.
  
  I am absolutely LIVID that this sort of thing can happen to anyone in any western civilization under the guise of democracy. I am furious to hear your story knowing that I personally cannot help you through the very fact that I am an Auslaenderin and thus no-one would hell listen to me, even if I stood up in the middle of Zurich and screamed bloody murder! They would just bow their heads, shuffle along, tut - anything to block out the shock of someone's bad reality.
  
  This is absolutely intolerable a situation. It is fundamentally wrong. The problem is not you, my friend. The problem is Swiss society, its bureaucracy and its acceptance of what it does not want to know. Unless you, or someone else Swiss who can be persistent, are prepared to make a song and dance by taking your situation to the newspapers, by finding an interested editor who is also prepared to make a noise, you will be a statistic. You are worth more than being just a statistic. And those who do not serve your best interests are not worth protecting.
  
  Your debts are not who you are. Your housing situation is not who you are. Christ, students in UK leave university with 60,000 CHF worth of debt, then go around the world traveling, then come home, then start to pay it off two years later! It is very EASY in Switzerland to get into debt. Miss one tax payment, miss one form deadline, and they linch you. The system is not set up for individual cases. It is set up to deal with the 'normal' person. This is why it is failing you. It is not you, I repeat, It is the system. And, as with other commentators above, I fully push you to step into the world beyond this tiny, tiny dot of a country that has failed you - to any of those that border here - if you can build your courage.
  
  I absolutely understand any hesitation. It takes so much guts and strength to keep going on a daily basis when life is painful, and beating down on you monotonously. But you will get through this.
  
  I would rather not place my contact address here since I seem to have created some enemies (and friends too, maybe!). But if you have one, then I'm sure we would, individually (as a forum is not the right place for this) respond, and maybe in our ways, as survivors in our own small lives, may be of some positive influence to you.
  
  I think this story encapsulates the whole sentiment of these postings - that whoever we are, wherever we live and wherever we come from, we just want to be treated like decent human beings.

  Wendy 27 Aug 2008, 07:30 - Report

• to Wnedy

  Hi Wndy
  Finally I got someone who understan a lot of rhings happen in this "wonderful" Land. You seem a very analitic and intelligent person. This are the reasons I have to leave Switzerland.
  
  To @Too much reality in life.
  
  Please tell me how to contact you, lets talki, maybe I can get you out of your situation, I had talked to several persons and it could be, that there is a solution for your problems. Just, hold on.

  Sonja 27 Aug 2008, 08:30 - Report

• An spanish who really loves swiss people

  this is sooo SAD!!!have you read your own words?? I'm from Madrid, one of the most safest capitals in the world. Maybe u know it, we have a year more than 7million of tourist and It is the city with more erasmus of Europe... With this I want to say that our streets are full of foreigners during all year!!and if you count with our inmigration from latin america... uf!!
  
  And I think we haven't this kind of problems, I'm so happy living in a multicultural society!My friends are all over the world and I have to say that (and I have living in 3 differents countries) the Swisses have a great heart, are a people of word, responsible and hard-working... and for sure they are funny and like party!! I have gone out with them the party in party for all the countries that you could imagine... certainly they all speak an average of 3-4 languages, I'm jealous!!
  It seems to me that in order that the Swisses love you, you have to love them first!But it will be for a long time!!

  An spanish 29 Aug 2008, 04:08 - Report

• @An spanish who really loves swiss people

  Surely, there are swiss people they are happy people, surely they go to parties, laufgh and are good friends, and I can see, that you are afortunte to live in Madrid, I have been there too. A certain part of the systemis failing and it affects the swiss, most of them. Tis system are making swiss people sad and so anger. Outside Switzerland the swiss people are different. I am swiss, and lived a long time outside Switzerland and you can fiend great people living in Spain, Italy, Southamerica, Asia, Africa and they are different. They adapted different systems, but, they do not forget to be swiss. They are now, swiss people with a touch of latin swing, that is a good combination. But here in Switzerland, the life is very difficult, and you can feel, people are so angry, so without of happiness and there feelings changed so much. Switzerland is not what it has been.
  
  By the way, Madrid is beautiful

  Sonja 29 Aug 2008, 10:41 - Report

• It's true..

  i agree with wendy the other uk guy 100% & i can see she speaks a true picture that no-one would be able to say if they had not have lived here, i am also from the uk....and...i can add this: i have lived here for 8 years, after 2 i saw beneath the surface of this horrible country with shameless people. they try to get you to work for free & are jealous of you because you are more intelligent than they are, there's something you can even see here by that swiss guys foul language that lurks beneath the surface that makes me very depressed.
  
  their music is shit & they are boring, lethargic, cynical even to themselves. i know swiss family members who slag each other off behind their backs but when they meet kiss each other (3 times!). they are complicated & make up problems to constantly moan about, the men live with their parents until they are middle aged but think they are cool. i'm a big guy, 6'4" & when i tell them to shut up when they are arrogant they shit themselves though they made themselves in the beginning look tough. i hate everything about it here & am so happy to move back to the uk, if i come across any swiss when i am back in london i will gladly tell them to f*** off back to their own country & give them the same experience they gave me living over here.
  
  they hate muslims, yugoslavs, turkish & think when you know them better they can tell these awful jokes which i always told them they should say it to those peoples faces but they don't because they are cowards.
  
  they treat kids like shit in the schools, i know care workers who hit & abuse handicapped people, don't ever marry a swiss as your life will end up in hell!!!!!

  turn back! 17 Sep 2008, 03:16 - Report

• Switzerland great country

  I think if there are so lots of posts concerning Switzerland... It's simply the result that all rude and uncivilized anti Swiss people here are jealous for this fabulous country.
  
  Switzerland is friend of all countries in the world and people are very open. Switzerland does not pretend to be a rich country. However, the Swiss history and more than 250 years without war has offer this exceptional economic situation which attracts each year the biggest companies or organisation on the world...
  
  Probably this will greatly disturbs some countries that can not compete with the economic and strategic situation of Switzerland in the middle of EU.
  
  As Russian, our country love people from Switzerland. They are always in international conflict to find out solution. For example recently in Russia Georgia problems.
  
  Swiss diplomates are very discreet and this is excellent for negotiations. Switzerland is the only country in Europa (non EU) that has not condemned Russia in the Georgia problem. They have analized the situation very professionally and politically correct.
  
  This is one of lots of example...
  
  Russian people LOVE SWITZERLAND !!!!!

  Pavlov 17 Sep 2008, 05:24 - Report

• response to "another swiss"

  Thank you for confirm my opininon about Switzerland : Switzerland is good only for the poorest class of immigrants from oversea countries and churcy, conservative,nationalist and fundamentalist euro-american intellectual persons.Of course nobody else can love such a racist damn hell shitty nazi minded peoples country.This is the reason why Switzerland is the worst country for creative works and arts.I am also a witness of their bahaviours with anti religious,anti nationalist and very well educated anglo- european immigrants.They left Switzerland for go back to their home country with broken teeth and noses.Actually see that some people from this forum need to see others use perfect english.Now i am asking to himo you absolutely need perfect english for understand the truth about Switzerland? That proves that you do not have capasity and right feeling for help the people who suffer from discrimination.It is the same thing as saying : If you do not speak a language well you do not say the truth.LADIES GENTLEMAN WELCOME TO SWITZERLAND.MOST HUMANIST COUNTRY OF THE WORLD.

  ramo 18 Sep 2008, 11:51 - Report

• Hi everyone

  there seems to be alot of negativity in this blog so i would like to try and say something constructive that will, hopefully, help someone.
  
  speaking from my own experience, i haven't had too many problems intergrating (but not being assimilated)into swiss society, apart from the initial language barrier. not to say there aren't things that tick me off sometimes.
  
  yes the swiss can be quite reserved and i think that often gets mistaken for close-mindedness or rudeness. yes a few are just close-minded and rude but i figure that's their problem, not mine. i have, however, encountered more helpful people who want to take an active part in dealing with the so called immigration problem and make me feel welcome.
  
  yes there are some low moments when i think f*** this country but then i realise that i always said that about the country i came from. where ever you go there are always things to hate.
  
  but hey, the country is not going to change for me (nor should it), so why should i bother concentrating on the few bad points.
  
  ok maybe some people are in a different situation than the one i'm in but my point is this: if you let the things that suck get to you all the time your life is going to suck and you'll forever be digging a hole for yourself to wallow in.
  
  to all the people who seem miserable on this blog - is that really what you want?

  NZer 22 Sep 2008, 10:04 - Report

• dunno

  hi guys
  had a laught and some thoughts reading through most (most) of the posts...
  I can´t really say I iagree or not because all the swiss people I know are really nice ppl. But then again, I met them outside their own country and have never seen ay of them in their homeland. This thread definetly made me curious about how they really are in their "elements"...

  bruna 02 Oct 2008, 11:20 - Report

• Switzerland it is very nice and full of very nice people.

  Well...let's see, I have been here for less than a year and I have 10 very good Swiss friends. And we all have an approximate of 30 people in the group, we all come from different parts of the world. I have been lost, broke, sad, etc. and in general I have only encountered good Swiss people willing to help, and make sure you are well taken care of. Many have different experiences, maybe because I'm half Mexican. Because, I have seen that for Americans not only Swiss but other Europeans are not to nice or welcoming to them.
  
  About everything being expensive, well yes, but that is because most of the people earn accordingly. And being clean, safe, and so close to lakes, mountains, fresh air, fresh food, has a price. That most people are willing to pay and that can afford to pay.
  
  I think just like any other countries, people should just try it before they get their mind set just because of others experiences. There's a reason why Switzerland is considered the best place to live in Europe and why Zurich has been ranked #2 as the best city to live in the whole world.

  Sam 07 Oct 2008, 01:05 - Report

• It's no wonder...

  I have only been to Switzerland once and really want to go back there to work, but I don't find it surprising if they don't like foreigners. Look at the problems that immigration has caused in other parts of the world.
  
  The Turkish people in Germany are responsible for much of the crime and cost the German Government a fortune in welfare payments, and nobody can speak out against it without being called a Nazi. African immigrants riot in Paris, making some parts of the city so violent that even the police are too scared to go there. You need an English/Arabic dictionary to walk through large areas of London and they now have Sharia courts operating through the UK.
  
  Multiculturalism is a social experiment which is being forced upon many western countries by useless governments who are too scared of the immigrants to do anything about it.
  
  It is good to see a country like Switzerland trying to protect what they have.

  Phil 11 Oct 2008, 06:15 - Report

• the real deal

  bunch of c***s, god help you if you have any gold teeth, these f***ers would sell their mothers for them cowards is old skool bottlers is new skool send them over and i would f*** them over. a brit not a coward.

  Brit 20 Nov 2008, 06:32 - Report

• UNBELIEVEABLE!

  Sorry to confess, but I'm Swiss. With sadness I see that people here call me a retarded and stinking Swiss. Maybe I am, as I haven't had a shower for more than 4 hours. Retarded? You can bet on it, as so far I have never learnt about hatred on my way of living.
  
  Perhaps in all the other countries (I'll take Switzerland out from the list of perfect countries) everybody is happy, charming, tolerant, friendly, naive, innocent.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I don't think that my fellow stinking neighbors and friends are perfect but I do guess that they do clean their own house before pointing fingers in all other directions.

  Giorgio 24 Nov 2008, 10:11 - Report

• Switzerland is the best country in europe!!

  i have been living in switzerland for five months, never felt discrimination, and i come from the poorest country in south america. i know they are not very open when you do not speak their language, most specific their dialect(german speaking part), but as soon as you begin to speak, you can see how they appreciate the effort.
  
  most of the inmigrants that come here from albany or turkey are very rude and violent, really close minded people (not all of them of course)and they do not want to learn german, or french, or italian. they do not want to work according to the local rules or laws. they want to profit from the swiss government, just by doing nothing.
  
  and the usa citizens along with the canadians, and the english. they expect every human been on earth to speak english whenever they want, that is a shame, and that is why the swiss do not want to talk to them. when some french guy goes to the usa, for exmeple, this guy has to speak english because is the f***ing local language, if he speaks his mother tongue he is lost, it is the same deal here. if you want to make friends learn the local language.

  Hernan 25 Nov 2008, 11:14 - Report

• Cosmopolitan

  Let's see: I smell some hypocrisy among some people's items in this forum. I challenge everyone who points the finger at Switzerland by calling it intolerant. Yes, provincialism, anti-foreigners and anti-EU policies do exist in CH, but self-reflection is a wonderful thing to do, when pointing the finger at someone else. Tell me the country you're from, and I will help you to reflect on it in terms of intolerance. Come on, don’t be shy....

  Cosmopolitan 29 Nov 2008, 01:52 - Report

• Still a high suicide rate

  So what that says is the Switzerland has the fourth highest suicide rate in Western Europe. hardly something to be proud of.

  Not Swiss 01 Dec 2008, 03:37 - Report

• @ Cosmopolitan

  Quite ironic that the comment about self reflection is never practised among the Swiss on a general basis, you aren't Swiss are you?
  
  Catch a Swiss person amongst their working hours when money or career is involved and the helpfulness suddenly engages into something between a robot and human,
  
  A Mercenary race that sell services and fine bits and bobs to the rest of the World, totally inept at any emotion or outside historic understanding shocking similarity to the Borg in Star Trek, of course + the S&M.
  
  The village idiots of the world if you will, but bloody refined & efficient at being the part!
  
  They even accept Euros for your Soul if you are white.

  Swiss Love 13 Dec 2008, 08:50 - Report

• @Swiss Love

  Where you from?

  John 14 Dec 2008, 10:32 - Report

• switzerland sucked, sucks and will suck forever

  listen swissies, it doesn't matter where the critics come from. this forum is about the well-known fact that SWITZERLAND SUCKS! it's only and solely about your little, insignificant and retarded country. GOT IT? so shut up and read what we have to say.

  ch go home 14 Dec 2008, 02:26 - Report

• suprised

  doubt whether dumb banging on the host country will change anything.

  in all seriousness 14 Dec 2008, 06:11 - Report

• new to geneva

  Hi ,
  
  i'm canadian and find it very hard living here ..i'm also having a hard time to find a job ,my husband is swiss ,we just got here a year ago and hope that i will adapt !!help!!!

  caroline 16 Dec 2008, 09:03 - Report

• Hi Caroline

  Hello Caroline,
  I have been hear for over a year myself and don't much like it all - no proper friends and very homesick! However, a job does help because at least you are getting some money if nothing else. Anyway, I just wanted to say that if you are having difficulty finding a job, you might want to look outside Geneva.
  I found a job after about four months through Manpower in Nyon. I think there are lots of international companies in towns close to Geneva, so it is worth giving your CV to places like Adecco and Manpower in Nyon and Lausanne.
  Good luck!!

  UK girl 20 Dec 2008, 11:57 - Report

• Waste of Time

  To whom it may concern:
  If you are unable to come up with a solution,
  just shut up.

  Brigitte 21 Dec 2008, 01:24 - Report

• Swiss people are racist and they think they're better than everyone! Fact!

  I'm Swiss, but I'm a Swiss with dark skin...my family is White....BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT SWITZERLAND IS A F***ING RACIST COUNTRY....THEY TREATED ME LIKE SHIT FOR 20 YEARS. I'M SO HAPPY I DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE..BUT MY FAMILY STILL LIVE THERE, AND IT'S SAD THAT BECAUSE OF THE STUPIDY OF THE SWISS PEOPLE I HAD TO FIND HAPPINESS ELSEWHERE...I GAVE MY HEART AND SOUL TO SWITZERLAND AND IN RETURN THEY NEARLY KILLED ME. F*** YOU SWITZERLAND. THANKS FOR RUINING MY LIFE.

  KC 26 Dec 2008, 07:47 - Report

• Switzerland does suck!

  i agree, stay away from switzerland, there is very little good it this country! the people are poor souled, cold and mostly racist. everything is overpriced and the swiss people are boring and unfriendly. switzerland is a f***ing shithole. there are lots of nicer places on the world.

  Jan 10 Jan 2009, 03:58 - Report